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OUTFRONT SERIES

INDUSTRIAL POLICY’S IMPACT: 

DEBT OR DIVIDEND?

1,568

Industrial policy interventions globally per year, up from just 34 in a little more than 10 years.

Source: National Bureau of Economic Research, August 2023

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What is Industrial Policy?

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Trade Balance (USD Millions)

Gross National Product

Wholesale Price Index

Consumer Price Index

Wages

Real Exports

$-1,045.9

-573.9

-566

-1,936.8

-1,671.4

-590.5

476.6

-1,780.8

-4,384.10

-4,384.10

-3,628.3

-2,594.4

-1,763.5

-1,035.9

-19.4

4,208.9

1971

1972

1973

1974

1975

1976

1977

1978

1979

1980

1981

1982

1983

1984

1985

1986

60%

50%

40%

30%

20%

10%

0

-10%

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200

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800

Number of orders

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Implications for interest rates and financial markets

The race to harness industrial strategy to accelerate development of new technologies and the energy transition is happening at a time when the public finances are stretched. 

In particular, China and the United States have borrowings at, or close to, record levels. While this makes the U.S. vulnerable to further bond market jitters, in China it plays out through downward pressure on the yuan.

China's Total Debt to GDP Has Overtaken the U.S.

350%

300%

250%

200%

150%

100%

China

United States

Source: Reuters, November 2023

2012

2020

There is this shift between the monetary and the fiscal authority, from what we've seen before to what we're seeing now, which is going to have big implications for interest rates. Now, the potential benefit of this new mix of fiscal and monetary is that it should drive higher investment and hopefully eventually higher potential growth so that GDP growth becomes more sustainable.”

Katharine Neiss

Deputy Head of Global Economics at PGIM Fixed Income

Should that happen, it’s likely to help the public market equities of companies in the real economy most of all, including the types of industrial and infrastructure companies poised to gain from governments’ industrial strategies.

There may also be long-term benefits for innovative young companies in private markets. 

Governments in Britain, Germany and Japan have looked to build their own versions of DARPA, which eschews bureaucracy and big budgets – the U.S. president’s request to Congress for DARPA’s budget is $4.119 billion in 2023. That may well create still more foundational technologies for firms to build on.

Source: DARPA, 2023

 CONCLUSION 

WILL HIGHER DEBT FOSTER HIGHER GROWTH?

At a pivotal time for national economies, it seems likely that today’s emerging industrial strategies will succeed in boosting key strategic sectors. 

Already this can be seen in investments in U.S. semiconductors and clean-tech manufacturing, as well as Chinese EVs. The risk, though, is the effects of potentially higher interest rates for years to come.

We're already seeing much higher debt levels, and that is pushing up on long-term interest rates. Now the downside to that is higher interest rates through higher public spending risks crowding out private investment. And if this increased public investment doesn't translate eventually into higher growth, that could lead to some very painful adjustments. But on the plus side, with governments clearly  the direction of travel that they see through these industrial strategies, it does sort of give the private sector a north star of where we're going over the medium term that helps to coordinate in a way that can have positive spillovers.”

Katharine Neiss

Deputy Head of Global Economics at PGIM Fixed Income

While industrial policy may well achieve its strategic economic goals, its dividends in terms of pure GDP growth are far harder to predict. If the past is a guide to the future, there could be costs in terms of higher debts, limited competition and suppressed productivity growth.

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At a pivotal time for national economies, it seems likely that today’s emerging industrial strategies will succeed in boosting key strategic sectors. 

 CONCLUSION 

Already this can be seen in investments in U.S. semiconductors and clean-tech manufacturing, as well as Chinese EVs. The risk, though, is the effects of potentially higher interest rates for years to come.

Katharine Neiss

Deputy Head of Global Economics at PGIM Fixed Income

We're already seeing much higher debt levels, and that is pushing up on long-term interest rates. Now the downside to that is higher interest rates through higher public spending risks crowding out private investment. And if this increased public investment doesn't translate eventually into higher growth, that could lead to some very painful adjustments. But on the plus side, with governments clearly  the direction of travel that they see through these industrial strategies, it does sort of give the private sector a north star of where we're going over the medium term that helps to coordinate in a way that can have positive spillovers.”

While industrial policy may well achieve its strategic economic goals, its dividends in terms of pure GDP growth are far harder to predict. If the past is a guide to the future, there could be costs in terms of higher debts, limited competition and suppressed productivity growth.

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Implications for interest rates and financial markets

The race to harness industrial strategy to accelerate development of new technologies and the energy transition is happening at a time when the public finances are stretched. 

In particular, China and the United States have borrowings at, or close to, record levels. While this makes the U.S. vulnerable to further bond market jitters, in China it plays out through downward pressure on the yuan.

There may also be long-term benefits for innovative young companies in private markets. 

Governments in Britain, Germany and Japan have looked to build their own versions of DARPA, which eschews bureaucracy and big budgets – the U.S. president’s request to Congress for DARPA’s budget is $4.119 billion in 2023. That may well create still more foundational technologies for firms to build on.

Source: DARPA, 2023

China's Total Debt to GDP Has Overtaken the U.S.

Katharine Neiss

Deputy Head of Global Economics at PGIM Fixed Income

There is this shift between the monetary and the fiscal authority, from what we've seen before to what we're seeing now, which is going to have big implications for interest rates. Now, the potential benefit of this new mix of fiscal and monetary is that it should drive higher investment and hopefully eventually higher potential growth so that GDP growth becomes more sustainable.”

Should that happen, it’s likely to help the public market equities of companies in the real economy most of all, including the types of industrial and infrastructure companies poised to gain from governments’ industrial strategies.

China

United States

Source: Reuters, November 2023

250%

150%

350%

100%

300%

200%

2020

2012

800

400

Number of orders

200

0

600

Gross National Product

Wholesale Price Index

Consumer Price Index

Wages

Real Exports

Trade Balance (USD Millions)

0

10%

20%

30%

60%

50%

40%

-10%

1971

1972

1973

1974

1975

1976

1977

1978

1979

1980

1981

1982

1983

1984

1985

1986

$-1,045.9

-573.9

-566

-1,936.8

-1,671.4

-590.5

476.6

-1,780.8

-4,384.10

-4,384.10

-3,628.3

-2,594.4

-1,763.5

-1,035.9

-19.4

4,208.9

What is Industrial Policy?

INDUSTRIAL POLICY’S IMPACT: 

OUTFRONT SERIES

Industrial policy interventions globally per year, up from just 34 in a little more than 10 years.

1,568

Source: National Bureau of Economic Research, August 2023

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